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Extended Zodiac/God Tier Analysis
Offline 06-21-2018, 11:58 AM
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RE: Extended Zodiac/God Tier Analysis
(06-21-2018 10:55 AM)lonelyTroubadour Wrote:  nah i love it when it's long, more to ingest.

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Offline 06-21-2018, 12:10 PM
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RE: Extended Zodiac/God Tier Analysis
(06-20-2018 12:11 PM)Dilmec Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 10:04 AM)Cooki3s_pl3as3 Wrote:  Ok so,

Sign: virga (since this is about the extended zodiac

Bio: she likes to gossip and do traditional art. She likes to not take action, Basically all bark and no bite ( some call her two faced ). She can get people mad when she wants to but when shes not trying to piss you off for fun shes most likely helping or encouraging you to do something productive. She talks about other people but that doesn't necessarily mean she talks negatively about them. She has tried to get into hobbies and intrests but failed. The only one that really sticks is art and she really good at it. She also likes dancing a lot. Shes evasive and not very good at manipulating. Her friend group trusts her though.

(Wow she sounds like a horrible person the way i described her)
Interesting! Hmm... Virga, huh? Jade + Derse + Space. This is a bit of a weird opinion and I could very much be wrong, but I feel like the Extended Zodiac test can be a little hard to use for fantrolls, at least through the test. I prefer to use the Extended Zodiac only for its descriptions when it comes to making fantrolls.

Personally, this character reminds me of a Rogue of Breath. I know their official aspect is Space, but I had some trouble thinking of a class for that aspect, at least considering what I do know about her.
Aspect - Breath
Here's why I think she fits the Breath aspect. She talks about people often, and sometimes aggravates others, and it sounds like she's got a sense of independence and does things off of her own volition.
It sounds like a lot of her personality revolves around how she interacts with people. Breath is about freedom and independence, and being a little avoidant of social activities in a sense. It's sort of meant to counteract Blood's theme of connection and responsibility. While it does sound like she's something of a social person, her status as a Rogue can further seal my point, but I'll get into that in a sec.
Her inability to stick to certain hobbies is reminiscent of how Breath players tend to fail at being tied down. Perhaps the obligation of sticking to more than one interest bores them or is just hard for them?

Class - Rogue
The reason I say she'd be a good Rogue is because of her passive nature, and the way she sort of stays connected to her friends in a sense. Rogues tend to push their aspect away and share it with others, reallocating it, sometimes taking it from some people and giving it to others. In this case, she'd be taking individuality and freedom from social norms away from some people, and giving it to others.
The way she gossips about people seems to do this in a sense. By speaking about other people, she's bringing up things to sway her peers' opinions on others, holding certain people to various standards.
In turn, she encourages her friends to be productive at times, giving Breath's more passive characteristics of progression and determination to others.

Basically, the way she stays connected and relevant with her friends, but still acts somewhat independent makes me think of a Rogue of Breath. If you need a Space-type classpect, let me know, I'm sure I could think of something!
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Offline 06-27-2018, 09:46 PM
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RE: Extended Zodiac/God Tier Analysis
ok one ask
about godtier...
yellow-green troll (nepeta's blood), who have great rage, and probably kills some trolls, to keep the others from his hive. i mean he have reputatyion as killer but he is not a killer, he kills some trolls ok, but only too kepp others save. i mean, thats because his lusus can eat both trolls and beasts, AND if there are trolls, he eat trolls. Halven sometimes feed him with the trolls, but not with many and not so often, to keep his rage and his hunger (lusus hunger and lusus rage). Halven is seen as bad or sth, maybe as a warrior but as a killer too. but he is doing it to keep others save.
is that works for knight of rage ? or what should i change to make this work for knight of rage.
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Offline 06-28-2018, 03:21 AM
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RE: Extended Zodiac/God Tier Analysis
(06-27-2018 09:46 PM)Earl Wrote:  ok one ask
about godtier...
yellow-green troll (nepeta's blood), who have great rage, and probably kills some trolls, to keep the others from his hive. i mean he have reputatyion as killer but he is not a killer, he kills some trolls ok, but only too kepp others save. i mean, thats because his lusus can eat both trolls and beasts, AND if there are trolls, he eat trolls. Halven sometimes feed him with the trolls, but not with many and not so often, to keep his rage and his hunger (lusus hunger and lusus rage). Halven is seen as bad or sth, maybe as a warrior but as a killer too. but he is doing it to keep others save.
is that works for knight of rage ? or what should i change to make this work for knight of rage.

Well, let's see. It sounds sort of like you're on the right track to a Knight of Rage, but there are some other characteristics you might want to consider adding. It feels like he's scraping the surface of the classpect with his anger and ability to protect others, but here are some things to think about:

- Knights tend to have personas that hide their fear of failure in a sense with their aspect. For instance, Dave seemed to put on his coolkid persona to reject destiny and fate, and Karkat seemed to put on a persona of unbridled anger to hide his fear of failure as a team leader.
A Knight of Rage would probably try to ignore the state of the world around them and act like they don't care about the society they live in, when really they can't help but try to mess with that stuff.

- Exploiting Rage is an important part of this classpect's role. Being able to use anarchy and anger as a tool for the benefit of himself or others would be imperative.

Remember, Rage isn't just about being angry, it's about wanting to tear down societies that are built off false premises. And Knights don't just protect, they weaponize their aspect and turn it into a tool to help others and to help themselves.
Try to think of how the Knight could use anarchy and fury as a weapon against others, and then how that would benefit those around them. Get a little more specific in that regad.
If you'd like a full Knight of Rage explanation, I could do that too.

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Offline 06-29-2018, 05:33 PM (This reply was last modified: 06-29-2018 05:33 PM by Earl.)(Edited by Earl.)
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RE: Extended Zodiac/God Tier Analysis
ok, i thought that rage is about negative emotions, like anger, fear, hate, and about andrenaline during the fight.
ok i would like you to make full explanation, it would be great.
to be honest i asked, because most of the analysis tell that knight of rage have to be calm, and i feel that is not the only way the knight of rage could work
as for hiding stuff i still didnt figure it out how it would work. but i know they hide their true personality ok ?
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Offline 06-30-2018, 04:32 AM
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Rage is about negative emotions to an extent, but with the new definitions provided by the Extended Zodiac, it goes beyond that.

Knights are the class of active exploitation of their aspect. They take their aspect and turn it into a weapon or a tool to defend themselves or others.
Rage is the aspect of skepticism and anarchy, favoring the destruction of a society built on faulty premises over blind determination and optimism. It also seems to have a lot to do with negative emotion and impulsive actions.

Now, I personally don't think a Knight of Rage has to be a calm person. However, I think a successful Knight of Rage would need to know how to use anger and negative emotions to their advantage. While most people would let anger get the best of them and would get in over their head, or others would completely repress their fury or come to terms with it, the Knight of Rage will indulge in it. They work best when they're pissed off, for better or for worse.

However, I think the reason why other analyses say that the Knight of Rage would need to be calm is because of the "shields" they have around their true selves.
Knights tend to reject their aspect in a sense out of fear of failure. They don't just hide who they are, necessarily, they seem to just be on the defensive in some ways.
For example, Karkat was a Knight of Blood. He was pretty aggressive towards his peers and seemed to resent the people around him, though this definitely wasn't the case. He seemed to be genuinely concerned with the success of his teammates and the wellbeing of their team. He was rejecting Blood by aggressively denouncing his allies, despite being heavily reliant on them.

In turn, maybe a Knight of Rage would seem to denounce their Rage, perhaps claiming that their temper is nothing more than a little annoyance or brief frustration. They'd still have a temper, but they'd try to remain calm if they wanted to deal with it in that way. Alternatively, they might just try to seem very optimistic, as though their Rage-based antics are just a method to "fix" the society they live in. Either way, they'd likely just be doing this out of an aversion to failure with the themes of Rage, for whatever reason.

However, they'd likely be very intuitive. Able to pick up on pet peeves and weak points in their peers. They'd likely be immensely crafty and clever, able to exploit the emotional weaknesses in people, or the structural weaknesses of a system or government that's in place in their everyday life, to cause havoc and mischief. They know how to make people see things their way, and are likely pretty manipulative. They might have a good cause though, but it might not be obvious.

That's what I've got on the Knight of Rage, hope it helps!

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Offline 06-30-2018, 03:48 PM
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RE: Extended Zodiac/God Tier Analysis
hi, me again

could you do an analysis on a rogue of blood who's also a capricen?

thanks! i really love what you've been doing (you're really good at it too)

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Offline 07-10-2018, 03:29 AM
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hi, im just bumping this to say that i didnt die. im on a long trip with my family, sorry it took me so long to get to yours, DE
im taking any other requests too, now that im back!

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